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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-54977</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-54964</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on ya GB!</description>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-54747</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Just read through all the comments from other SAE institutions overseas. Cant speak for them i&#039;m afraid. I&#039;m currently enrolled at SAE London. I have a great class, a great dedicated team of educators, with all sorts of backgrounds and experience, and amazing facilities. 

To the person that said you can learn the equivalent to what they teach us on YouTube... Not sure you could learn to use an SSL 6000 G+ on YouTube. Nor an SSL AWS 900, Neve VR Legend, Neve Genesys, Tascam DM3200, Yamaha O2R96, TLA VTC 32 + all sorts of other consoles &amp; outboard gear I haven&#039;t yet used. How about having access to all this equipment and more 24/7? If you have a minute, head on over to SAE London&#039;s site, and peek a look at some of the studio spaces. I just can&#039;t understand why anybody would go and flame something they haven&#039;t even experienced. It&#039;s beyond me. Have you sat in a SAE classroom and learned about Helmholtz Resonators, or how to work out what +10dBu is in dBV? No, i thought not. You cannot go around criticising what you have no idea about. 

&quot;As a previous lecturer at 1 of the 50+ SAE’s, you’r(e) now telling me that I didn’t care about my students and that I didn’t make every effort to turn them into great engineers/producers?! You’ve got some nerve buddy. I’ve never met a past student that doesn’t have the greatest respect for me and what I taught them.
Apologies for this comment, but you’re a fool with a chip on your shoulder.&quot;

Well said sir. No need to apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Just read through all the comments from other SAE institutions overseas. Cant speak for them i&#8217;m afraid. I&#8217;m currently enrolled at SAE London. I have a great class, a great dedicated team of educators, with all sorts of backgrounds and experience, and amazing facilities. </p>
<p>To the person that said you can learn the equivalent to what they teach us on YouTube&#8230; Not sure you could learn to use an SSL 6000 G+ on YouTube. Nor an SSL AWS 900, Neve VR Legend, Neve Genesys, Tascam DM3200, Yamaha O2R96, TLA VTC 32 + all sorts of other consoles &amp; outboard gear I haven&#8217;t yet used. How about having access to all this equipment and more 24/7? If you have a minute, head on over to SAE London&#8217;s site, and peek a look at some of the studio spaces. I just can&#8217;t understand why anybody would go and flame something they haven&#8217;t even experienced. It&#8217;s beyond me. Have you sat in a SAE classroom and learned about Helmholtz Resonators, or how to work out what +10dBu is in dBV? No, i thought not. You cannot go around criticising what you have no idea about. </p>
<p>&#8220;As a previous lecturer at 1 of the 50+ SAE’s, you’r(e) now telling me that I didn’t care about my students and that I didn’t make every effort to turn them into great engineers/producers?! You’ve got some nerve buddy. I’ve never met a past student that doesn’t have the greatest respect for me and what I taught them.<br />
Apologies for this comment, but you’re a fool with a chip on your shoulder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said sir. No need to apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: sangeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>sangeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAS ANYONE CHECKED OUT THE SAE INSTITUTE IN MELBOURNE??
I WANT TO GO FOR A COURSE IN AUDIO ENGINEERING,, IS IT WORTHY TO GO THERE??

CAN ANYONE HELP ME SUGGEST GOING FOR 2 YRS COURSE OF AUDIO ENGINEERING IN
(SAE INSTITUTE OR POINT BLANK LONDON)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAS ANYONE CHECKED OUT THE SAE INSTITUTE IN MELBOURNE??<br />
I WANT TO GO FOR A COURSE IN AUDIO ENGINEERING,, IS IT WORTHY TO GO THERE??</p>
<p>CAN ANYONE HELP ME SUGGEST GOING FOR 2 YRS COURSE OF AUDIO ENGINEERING IN<br />
(SAE INSTITUTE OR POINT BLANK LONDON)</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-49198</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi just wondering if anyone knows anything on the bach of film at the SAE in Melbourne?</description>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-48284</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 07:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There he is again....
This guy &quot;Hero&quot; has been on here before. I will point out again, as I have in the past, that in order to work in the industry you need a good foundation in audio... not just some manuels and an online course. I am a graduate of SAE NY, glad I went and Im doing very well out here in the REAL world.
How can you go into a studio never having got your hands on a large format console? Having never put your hands on a patch bay? Having never learned anything about microphones and how to mic up a drum set properly? Yes, we had a saying in school, &quot;RTFM&quot; Read The Fucking Manual! But a reference manual is not enough. You need hands on experience. 
I have seen and met some SAE haters out there. These are people who couldn&#039;t cut it and dont have the balls to take responsibility for their lack. They are kids who thought they where gonna come out as some big time engineer/producer and reality didnt live up to their fantasy.
At the end of the day &quot;Hero&quot; you just sound like a bitter child. Your a small person of no significance. If you had a career, or any kind of real life to speak of, you wouldn&#039;t always be posting the hateful crap. Take responsibility for your own problems and stop trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There he is again&#8230;.<br />
This guy &#8220;Hero&#8221; has been on here before. I will point out again, as I have in the past, that in order to work in the industry you need a good foundation in audio&#8230; not just some manuels and an online course. I am a graduate of SAE NY, glad I went and Im doing very well out here in the REAL world.<br />
How can you go into a studio never having got your hands on a large format console? Having never put your hands on a patch bay? Having never learned anything about microphones and how to mic up a drum set properly? Yes, we had a saying in school, &#8220;RTFM&#8221; Read The Fucking Manual! But a reference manual is not enough. You need hands on experience.<br />
I have seen and met some SAE haters out there. These are people who couldn&#8217;t cut it and dont have the balls to take responsibility for their lack. They are kids who thought they where gonna come out as some big time engineer/producer and reality didnt live up to their fantasy.<br />
At the end of the day &#8220;Hero&#8221; you just sound like a bitter child. Your a small person of no significance. If you had a career, or any kind of real life to speak of, you wouldn&#8217;t always be posting the hateful crap. Take responsibility for your own problems and stop trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-48211</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well look at the generalising twit...

As a previous lecturer at 1 of the 50+ SAE&#039;s, you&#039;r(e) now telling me that I didn&#039;t care about my students and that I didn&#039;t make every effort to turn them into great engineers/producers?! You&#039;ve got some nerve buddy. I&#039;ve never met a past student that doesn&#039;t have the greatest respect for me and what I taught them. 

Apologies for this comment, but you&#039;re a fool with a chip on your shoulder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well look at the generalising twit&#8230;</p>
<p>As a previous lecturer at 1 of the 50+ SAE&#8217;s, you&#8217;r(e) now telling me that I didn&#8217;t care about my students and that I didn&#8217;t make every effort to turn them into great engineers/producers?! You&#8217;ve got some nerve buddy. I&#8217;ve never met a past student that doesn&#8217;t have the greatest respect for me and what I taught them. </p>
<p>Apologies for this comment, but you&#8217;re a fool with a chip on your shoulder.</p>
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		<title>By: hero</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-48204</link>
		<dc:creator>hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to this blog
after quite a while and have made some contributions to it last year regarding why one should NOT go to SAE...
Anyway, the point is: -

If you have a degree/diploma/certificate, you might get a job or internship at a Audio production  organisation for starters.

If you are incompetent ...then you&#039;r degree is not going to save you&#039;r job! Does not matter which college you went to....right ?

On the other hand if you are a musician and learn Sound engineering thru you&#039;r own hard work, ie for eg make and mix a track,as a part of you&#039;r Resume / Bio-Data and show that to a studio etc - you would have shown exactly what you are capable of and you&#039;r own initiative towards work.

That also, could get you an internship...and then you could do special courses for live sound or in protools or logic or broadcast etc...as you intern along side

Point being if you are competent then you&#039;ll get a job, 
coz all the guyz from SAE would have got kicked out eventually and people will be looking for competent people...!!lol haha

If you&#039;r incompetent then no one cares what certificate you have.

My other point is that SAE&#039;s game is to complicate things, to make the course seem really tough and long, so that they can charge more for the longer course.
It&#039;s like talking to an elder, in the hope of finding an answer...but when the elder realises, that if he gave you the answer you would stop visiting him, he realises that talking &quot;around&quot; the answer is the next best thing....lol ha

It&#039;s...this &quot;hope&quot; that you have to be careful of!!

Don&#039;t go to SAE with hope, go there with questions....u see what i&#039;m trying to point out here...??

And so... SAE does not care if you&#039;r spirit is crushed due to incompetent teachers and unnecessary DATA (course material) they just want you to keep trying....and sit in for the next exam and pay some more money...to them.

If you require a certificate, so you have an excuse to intern, do a short course from wherever you feel like, you&#039;ll have a certificate to take for the interview...beyond that it will be you&#039;r motivation and ability...

Before one spends money on a degree/diploma course, i would suggest you buy a small, budget mixer, a budget mic and some low o/p monitor speakers...(eg jbl control 1 or similar)
Sit at home, rec you&#039;r voice and also learn how to route audio sources(media player,mic,keyboard etc).
Along with this do an online course.

This way you will save on rent / travel / food / expences / bank loan !

Even at SAE they say &quot;Read The Manual&quot; , then if you have to read the manual...do you need to pay someone(SAE) to tell you that ?

I&#039;m telling you for free &quot;Read The Manual&quot; !

Open the software, switch off the mobile, open a red wine , record something....read the manual.
Start with Sound Forge (two track editor) 
then go multitrack editor (nuendeo /protools / logic)
Tweak you&#039;r voice in the audio software&#039;s processing section..
Find a friend who plays the guitar or an aunt who sings (after a cpl of drinks ofcourse!!) 
Have fun, get online and look at all the links possible for , say &quot;Equalisation&quot; or &quot;how to solder an XLR&quot; n so on...
Learn things , share gear or it&#039;s cost, so you may distribute costs and learning

Trust me when i say this, if you&#039;r competent no one or nothing will be able to stop you....
So, as a friend and a well wisher i only mean to say , invest in you&#039;rself first-learn one aspect of audio well (live/studio/production/broadcast)
Research the net and grow...when you can&#039;t grow by you&#039;r own efforts anymore then go do a degree or diploma.
This is a guideline- especially for those people who don&#039;t have college money but the passion does not let them rest either :-)

@ollard: speak to the SAE students once they are outside the premises,post office hours, having a break...SAE is just another corporation, an ethicless, spineless entity playing on peoples hopes and dreams.


HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and LOOKING FOR AN ONLINE ALTERNATIVE THAT WILL SAVE THEM MONEY AND EDUCATE THEM WELL ?

Take the CURRICULUM of any of their Courses and use the list of topics as searches on google ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to this blog<br />
after quite a while and have made some contributions to it last year regarding why one should NOT go to SAE&#8230;<br />
Anyway, the point is: -</p>
<p>If you have a degree/diploma/certificate, you might get a job or internship at a Audio production  organisation for starters.</p>
<p>If you are incompetent &#8230;then you&#8217;r degree is not going to save you&#8217;r job! Does not matter which college you went to&#8230;.right ?</p>
<p>On the other hand if you are a musician and learn Sound engineering thru you&#8217;r own hard work, ie for eg make and mix a track,as a part of you&#8217;r Resume / Bio-Data and show that to a studio etc &#8211; you would have shown exactly what you are capable of and you&#8217;r own initiative towards work.</p>
<p>That also, could get you an internship&#8230;and then you could do special courses for live sound or in protools or logic or broadcast etc&#8230;as you intern along side</p>
<p>Point being if you are competent then you&#8217;ll get a job,<br />
coz all the guyz from SAE would have got kicked out eventually and people will be looking for competent people&#8230;!!lol haha</p>
<p>If you&#8217;r incompetent then no one cares what certificate you have.</p>
<p>My other point is that SAE&#8217;s game is to complicate things, to make the course seem really tough and long, so that they can charge more for the longer course.<br />
It&#8217;s like talking to an elder, in the hope of finding an answer&#8230;but when the elder realises, that if he gave you the answer you would stop visiting him, he realises that talking &#8220;around&#8221; the answer is the next best thing&#8230;.lol ha</p>
<p>It&#8217;s&#8230;this &#8220;hope&#8221; that you have to be careful of!!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t go to SAE with hope, go there with questions&#8230;.u see what i&#8217;m trying to point out here&#8230;??</p>
<p>And so&#8230; SAE does not care if you&#8217;r spirit is crushed due to incompetent teachers and unnecessary DATA (course material) they just want you to keep trying&#8230;.and sit in for the next exam and pay some more money&#8230;to them.</p>
<p>If you require a certificate, so you have an excuse to intern, do a short course from wherever you feel like, you&#8217;ll have a certificate to take for the interview&#8230;beyond that it will be you&#8217;r motivation and ability&#8230;</p>
<p>Before one spends money on a degree/diploma course, i would suggest you buy a small, budget mixer, a budget mic and some low o/p monitor speakers&#8230;(eg jbl control 1 or similar)<br />
Sit at home, rec you&#8217;r voice and also learn how to route audio sources(media player,mic,keyboard etc).<br />
Along with this do an online course.</p>
<p>This way you will save on rent / travel / food / expences / bank loan !</p>
<p>Even at SAE they say &#8220;Read The Manual&#8221; , then if you have to read the manual&#8230;do you need to pay someone(SAE) to tell you that ?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m telling you for free &#8220;Read The Manual&#8221; !</p>
<p>Open the software, switch off the mobile, open a red wine , record something&#8230;.read the manual.<br />
Start with Sound Forge (two track editor)<br />
then go multitrack editor (nuendeo /protools / logic)<br />
Tweak you&#8217;r voice in the audio software&#8217;s processing section..<br />
Find a friend who plays the guitar or an aunt who sings (after a cpl of drinks ofcourse!!)<br />
Have fun, get online and look at all the links possible for , say &#8220;Equalisation&#8221; or &#8220;how to solder an XLR&#8221; n so on&#8230;<br />
Learn things , share gear or it&#8217;s cost, so you may distribute costs and learning</p>
<p>Trust me when i say this, if you&#8217;r competent no one or nothing will be able to stop you&#8230;.<br />
So, as a friend and a well wisher i only mean to say , invest in you&#8217;rself first-learn one aspect of audio well (live/studio/production/broadcast)<br />
Research the net and grow&#8230;when you can&#8217;t grow by you&#8217;r own efforts anymore then go do a degree or diploma.<br />
This is a guideline- especially for those people who don&#8217;t have college money but the passion does not let them rest either :-)</p>
<p>@ollard: speak to the SAE students once they are outside the premises,post office hours, having a break&#8230;SAE is just another corporation, an ethicless, spineless entity playing on peoples hopes and dreams.</p>
<p>HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and LOOKING FOR AN ONLINE ALTERNATIVE THAT WILL SAVE THEM MONEY AND EDUCATE THEM WELL ?</p>
<p>Take the CURRICULUM of any of their Courses and use the list of topics as searches on google ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: ollard_</title>
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		<dc:creator>ollard_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, through reading the thread it seems like alot of people are against sae! Anyone any advice on SAE London, thinking of moving over from ireland to go so would it be worth it??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, through reading the thread it seems like alot of people are against sae! Anyone any advice on SAE London, thinking of moving over from ireland to go so would it be worth it??</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-worthwhile/comment-page-5/#comment-47978</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any information about SAE Atlanta?</description>
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